5th December 2013
I don't think it's a secret that the sabermetric case for Jack Morris is an especially thin one. A ranking using WAR has him about the 25th best player on the ballot. But we hear all of these stats about how much of a workhorse Morris was. Here is an example from Tom Verducci. Now it's true that Morris pitched into the 8th the most of his era, but when he did he was actually way below average among of group of pitchers who pitched 100+ outings of that length.
Morris worked deep in the games, but it was largely due to usage rather than effectiveness. When he went 8 innings he was league average, when he went five innings he was league average. The chart below shows the number of innings completed by the starter per start. So the "0" row is not all first innings, but just the games they didn't make it out of the first inning. Their complete games would be in the 9 row. Now there is a value to pitching late into games and Morris should be credited by that value, but it certainly looks to me that a big reason Morris went late into games was the astronomical run support he was getting not because he was pitching so much better than the average pitcher. Note that for outings last one inning or longer Morris' RA is WORSE than league average for every single outing length.
|
All AL SP's 1975-1997 |
Jack Morris |
Frank Tanana (1975 on) |
completed innings |
% of all GS |
W-L% |
RA |
tmAvgRS |
% of all GS |
W-L% |
RA |
tmAvgRS |
% of all GS |
W-L% |
RA |
tmAvgRS |
0 |
1.3 |
0.000 |
89.23 |
4.86 |
0.6 |
0.000 |
64.80 |
5.67 |
1.5 |
0.000 |
83.45 |
5.38 |
1 |
2.7 |
0.000 |
29.29 |
4.61 |
1.1 |
0.000 |
33.48 |
4.33 |
2.0 |
0.000 |
31.30 |
4.73 |
2 |
4.2 |
0.000 |
18.00 |
4.62 |
2.5 |
0.000 |
20.90 |
4.00 |
3.6 |
0.000 |
19.13 |
4.10 |
3 |
5.9 |
0.000 |
13.06 |
4.60 |
3.2 |
0.000 |
13.81 |
5.24 |
3.6 |
0.000 |
13.23 |
4.60 |
4 |
8.0 |
0.001 |
10.00 |
4.52 |
6.3 |
0.000 |
12.39 |
4.58 |
5.1 |
0.000 |
9.80 |
4.61 |
5 |
14.0 |
0.412 |
6.45 |
4.94 |
5.7 |
0.375 |
8.79 |
4.50 |
9.9 |
0.324 |
6.91 |
4.94 |
6 |
18.4 |
0.504 |
4.78 |
4.62 |
12.3 |
0.540 |
5.78 |
5.80 |
17.2 |
0.500 |
4.95 |
4.78 |
7 |
18.4 |
0.637 |
3.43 |
4.51 |
21.3 |
0.730 |
3.94 |
5.88 |
21.9 |
0.633 |
3.51 |
4.70 |
8 |
12.3 |
0.545 |
2.93 |
3.75 |
19.5 |
0.413 |
3.86 |
3.83 |
15.1 |
0.368 |
3.00 |
2.86 |
9 |
14.1 |
0.842 |
1.68 |
4.91 |
26.0 |
0.867 |
1.77 |
4.53 |
18.8 |
0.880 |
1.48 |
4.97 |
10 |
0.5 |
0.713 |
1.88 |
2.76 |
1.3 |
0.250 |
2.44 |
2.14 |
0.4 |
0.000 |
0.90 |
0.50 |
11 |
0.1 |
0.667 |
1.63 |
2.54 |
0.2 |
|
1.64 |
3.00 |
0.4 |
1.000 |
0.82 |
2.50 |
12 |
0.0 |
0.667 |
1.59 |
2.75 |
|
|
|
|
0.2 |
|
3.00 |
5.00 |
13 |
0.0 |
|
0.59 |
2.57 |
|
|
|
|
0.4 |
|
0.00 |
1.50 |
14 |
0.0 |
0.750 |
1.77 |
4.25 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
It seems to me if the basis of your argument for Morris in the HOF was that he pitched deep into a lot of games (and was about avg in those outings) then you have a pretty weak argument. The summary of our view is that Morris was a pretty good pitcher on very good teams, but really is not a whole lot better than someone like David Wells or Frank Tanana. And certainly not better than Mike Mussina or Kevin Brown.
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18th January 2013
With the Hall of Fame finalists being named last week, here's a reminder to check out our Hall of Fame Section at PFR, as well as the 2013 ballot (with a list of finalists, and semifinalists who didn't make the cut).
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28th November 2012
A little while ago, the Baseball Hall of Fame released the names that will be on this year's BBWAA ballot. Apropos of that, here are the Hall of Fame features we currently have for your browsing pleasure:
Please enjoy these features in this, the craziest of all Hall of Fame years.
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14th November 2012
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6th August 2012
With the inductions of Curtis Martin, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, Willie Roaf, and Jack Butler last Saturday, now's a good time to check out PFR's Hall of Fame Page to look at where the newly-enshrined players fit in with the rest of the HoF legends.
Also, we list the 2012 Ballot here; you can compare that to the HoF list and see who got snubbed (Aeneas Williams! Tim Brown! Cris Carter!) and who's next.
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9th January 2012
B-R: Hall of Fame Ballot History
This report looks at the top 8 vote-getters in Hall of Fame balloting each election and also shows the average number of votes per ballot for each season. Using this you can see how candidates like Bert Blyleven, Barry Larkin and others have progressed up the ballot year after year.
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9th January 2012
2012 Pro Football Hall of Fame page has been updated with the 15 finalists for this year's class.
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22nd December 2011
2012 Pro Football Hall of Fame Candidates are now up with all of the semifinalists for enshrinement this year.
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13th December 2011
Brian O'Neal Jordan
Position: Outfielder
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 6' 1", Weight: 205 lb.
Born: March 29, 1967 in Baltimore, MD (Age 44)
High School: Milford Mill (Baltimore, MD)
School: University of Richmond
Drafted by the St. Louis Cardinals in the 1st round (30th pick) of the 1988 amateur draft.
Signed July 7, 1988. (All Transactions)
Debut: April 8, 1992
Teams (by GP): Cardinals/Braves/Dodgers/Rangers 1992-2006
Final Game: September 30, 2006
Year |
Age |
Tm |
Lg |
G |
PA |
AB |
R |
H |
2B |
3B |
HR |
RBI |
SB |
CS |
BB |
SO |
BA |
OBP |
SLG |
OPS |
OPS+ |
TB |
GDP |
HBP |
SH |
SF |
IBB |
Pos |
Awards |
1988 |
21 |
STL-min |
A- |
19 |
81 |
71 |
12 |
22 |
3 |
1 |
4 |
12 |
3 |
3 |
6 |
15 |
.310 |
.388 |
.549 |
.937 |
|
39 |
|
3 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
HAM · NYPL |
1989 |
22 |
STL-min |
A |
11 |
45 |
43 |
7 |
15 |
4 |
1 |
2 |
11 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
8 |
.349 |
.378 |
.628 |
1.006 |
|
27 |
1 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
SPT · FLOR |
1990 |
23 |
STL-min |
AA,A+ |
25 |
83 |
80 |
7 |
13 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
22 |
.163 |
.193 |
.200 |
.393 |
|
16 |
|
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
ARK,SPT · TL,FLOR |
1991 |
24 |
STL-min |
AAA |
61 |
238 |
212 |
35 |
56 |
11 |
4 |
4 |
24 |
10 |
3 |
17 |
41 |
.264 |
.342 |
.410 |
.752 |
|
87 |
5 |
8 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
LOU · AA |
1992 |
25 |
STL-min |
AAA |
43 |
169 |
155 |
23 |
45 |
3 |
1 |
4 |
16 |
13 |
2 |
8 |
21 |
.290 |
.337 |
.400 |
.737 |
|
62 |
1 |
4 |
0 |
2 |
1 |
LOU · AA |
1992 |
25 |
STL |
NL |
55 |
204 |
193 |
17 |
40 |
9 |
4 |
5 |
22 |
7 |
2 |
10 |
48 |
.207 |
.250 |
.373 |
.623 |
77 |
72 |
6 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
79/8 |
|
1993 |
26 |
STL-min |
AAA |
38 |
165 |
144 |
24 |
54 |
13 |
2 |
5 |
35 |
9 |
4 |
16 |
17 |
.375 |
.442 |
.597 |
1.040 |
|
86 |
3 |
3 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
LOU · AA |
1993 |
26 |
STL |
NL |
67 |
242 |
223 |
33 |
69 |
10 |
6 |
10 |
44 |
6 |
6 |
12 |
35 |
.309 |
.351 |
.543 |
.894 |
138 |
121 |
6 |
4 |
0 |
3 |
0 |
879 |
|
1994 |
27 |
STL |
NL |
53 |
197 |
178 |
14 |
46 |
8 |
2 |
5 |
15 |
4 |
3 |
16 |
40 |
.258 |
.320 |
.410 |
.730 |
91 |
73 |
6 |
1 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
97/83 |
|
1995 |
28 |
STL |
NL |
131 |
525 |
490 |
83 |
145 |
20 |
4 |
22 |
81 |
24 |
9 |
22 |
79 |
.296 |
.339 |
.488 |
.827 |
116 |
239 |
5 |
11 |
0 |
2 |
4 |
*98 |
|
1996 |
29 |
STL |
NL |
140 |
560 |
513 |
82 |
159 |
36 |
1 |
17 |
104 |
22 |
5 |
29 |
84 |
.310 |
.349 |
.483 |
.833 |
118 |
248 |
6 |
7 |
2 |
9 |
4 |
*98/3 |
MVP-8 |
1997 |
30 |
STL-min |
AAA |
6 |
22 |
20 |
1 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
.150 |
.227 |
.150 |
.377 |
|
3 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
LOU · AA |
1997 |
30 |
STL |
NL |
47 |
161 |
145 |
17 |
34 |
5 |
0 |
0 |
10 |
6 |
1 |
10 |
21 |
.234 |
.311 |
.269 |
.580 |
55 |
39 |
4 |
6 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
98 |
|
1998 |
31 |
STL |
NL |
150 |
617 |
564 |
100 |
178 |
34 |
7 |
25 |
91 |
17 |
5 |
40 |
66 |
.316 |
.368 |
.534 |
.902 |
134 |
301 |
18 |
9 |
0 |
4 |
1 |
*98/D5 |
|
1999 |
32 |
ATL |
NL |
153 |
645 |
576 |
100 |
163 |
28 |
4 |
23 |
115 |
13 |
8 |
51 |
81 |
.283 |
.346 |
.465 |
.811 |
103 |
268 |
9 |
9 |
0 |
9 |
2 |
*9 |
AS,MVP-19 |
2000 |
33 |
ATL |
NL |
133 |
537 |
489 |
71 |
129 |
26 |
0 |
17 |
77 |
10 |
2 |
38 |
80 |
.264 |
.320 |
.421 |
.742 |
85 |
206 |
12 |
5 |
0 |
5 |
1 |
*9 |
|
2001 |
34 |
ATL |
NL |
148 |
605 |
560 |
82 |
165 |
32 |
3 |
25 |
97 |
3 |
2 |
31 |
88 |
.295 |
.334 |
.496 |
.830 |
109 |
278 |
18 |
6 |
0 |
8 |
3 |
*9/D8 |
MVP-18 |
2002 |
35 |
LAD |
NL |
128 |
515 |
471 |
65 |
134 |
27 |
3 |
18 |
80 |
2 |
2 |
34 |
86 |
.285 |
.338 |
.469 |
.807 |
118 |
221 |
10 |
6 |
0 |
4 |
3 |
*7/9D |
|
2003 |
36 |
LAD |
NL |
66 |
253 |
224 |
28 |
67 |
9 |
0 |
6 |
28 |
1 |
1 |
23 |
30 |
.299 |
.372 |
.420 |
.791 |
112 |
94 |
3 |
4 |
0 |
2 |
3 |
78/9D |
|
2004 |
37 |
TEX-min |
AAA,AA |
13 |
49 |
45 |
4 |
13 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
8 |
1 |
0 |
3 |
9 |
.289 |
.347 |
.356 |
.702 |
|
16 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
OKC,FRI · PCL,TL |
2004 |
37 |
TEX |
AL |
61 |
233 |
212 |
27 |
47 |
13 |
1 |
5 |
23 |
2 |
2 |
16 |
35 |
.222 |
.275 |
.363 |
.638 |
60 |
77 |
7 |
1 |
0 |
4 |
2 |
9D/7 |
|
2005 |
38 |
ATL-min |
A |
5 |
20 |
16 |
5 |
8 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
7 |
1 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
.500 |
.500 |
.750 |
1.250 |
|
12 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
1 |
ROM · SALL |
2005 |
38 |
ATL |
NL |
76 |
251 |
231 |
25 |
57 |
8 |
2 |
3 |
24 |
2 |
0 |
14 |
46 |
.247 |
.295 |
.338 |
.632 |
65 |
78 |
5 |
3 |
0 |
3 |
0 |
79 |
|
2006 |
39 |
ATL-min |
AAA,A |
5 |
20 |
16 |
3 |
5 |
1 |
0 |
2 |
4 |
0 |
0 |
4 |
7 |
.313 |
.450 |
.750 |
1.200 |
|
12 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
RMD,ROM · IL,SALL |
2006 |
39 |
ATL |
NL |
48 |
101 |
91 |
11 |
21 |
2 |
0 |
3 |
10 |
0 |
0 |
7 |
23 |
.231 |
.287 |
.352 |
.639 |
63 |
32 |
3 |
1 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
3/789 |
|
15 Seasons |
1456 |
5646 |
5160 |
755 |
1454 |
267 |
37 |
184 |
821 |
119 |
48 |
353 |
842 |
.282 |
.333 |
.455 |
.788 |
104 |
2347 |
118 |
74 |
2 |
57 |
25 |
|
|
162 Game Avg. |
162 |
628 |
574 |
84 |
162 |
30 |
4 |
20 |
91 |
13 |
5 |
39 |
94 |
.282 |
.333 |
.455 |
.788 |
104 |
261 |
13 |
8 |
0 |
6 |
3 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
STL (7 yrs) |
643 |
2506 |
2306 |
346 |
671 |
122 |
24 |
84 |
367 |
86 |
31 |
139 |
373 |
.291 |
.339 |
.474 |
.813 |
114 |
1093 |
51 |
39 |
2 |
20 |
11 |
|
|
ATL (5 yrs) |
558 |
2139 |
1947 |
289 |
535 |
96 |
9 |
71 |
323 |
28 |
12 |
141 |
318 |
.275 |
.327 |
.443 |
.770 |
94 |
862 |
47 |
24 |
0 |
27 |
6 |
|
|
LAD (2 yrs) |
194 |
768 |
695 |
93 |
201 |
36 |
3 |
24 |
108 |
3 |
3 |
57 |
116 |
.289 |
.349 |
.453 |
.802 |
116 |
315 |
13 |
10 |
0 |
6 |
6 |
|
|
TEX (1 yr) |
61 |
233 |
212 |
27 |
47 |
13 |
1 |
5 |
23 |
2 |
2 |
16 |
35 |
.222 |
.275 |
.363 |
.638 |
60 |
77 |
7 |
1 |
0 |
4 |
2 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
NL (14 yrs) |
1395 |
5413 |
4948 |
728 |
1407 |
254 |
36 |
179 |
798 |
117 |
46 |
337 |
807 |
.284 |
.336 |
.459 |
.795 |
106 |
2270 |
111 |
73 |
2 |
53 |
23 |
|
|
AL (1 yr) |
61 |
233 |
212 |
27 |
47 |
13 |
1 |
5 |
23 |
2 |
2 |
16 |
35 |
.222 |
.275 |
.363 |
.638 |
60 |
77 |
7 |
1 |
0 |
4 |
2 |
|
|
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