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The Hall of Fame Hunger Games

Posted by Jonah Gardner on July 24, 2015

Over the course of their Major League careers, Craig Biggio, Randy JohnsonPedro Martinez, and John Smoltz were involved in over 55,000 plate appearances spread over most of three decades. Today, to join in this weekend's festivities, we're going to look at 228 of those -- the rare moments in baseball history where two members of the Hall of Fame Class of 2015 saw their careers intersect.

Craig Biggio vs John Smoltz

Year PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SH SF IBB HBP GDP
1989 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0
1990 10 10 6 1 0 0 1 0 1 .600 .600 .700 1.300 0 0 0 0 1
1991 14 12 2 0 0 1 1 2 2 .167 .286 .417 .702 0 0 0 0 0
1992 19 16 3 0 0 0 0 2 5 .188 .316 .188 .503 0 0 0 1 0
1993 11 9 1 0 0 1 2 1 1 .111 .182 .444 .626 0 1 0 0 0
1994 3 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 .333 .333 .667 1.000 0 0 0 0 0
1995 12 11 1 0 0 0 1 1 6 .091 .167 .091 .258 0 0 0 0 0
1996 14 14 4 1 0 0 2 0 1 .286 .286 .357 .643 0 0 0 0 0
1997 11 11 3 0 0 0 0 0 3 .273 .273 .273 .545 0 0 0 0 0
1998 10 7 2 0 0 0 0 3 3 .286 .500 .286 .786 0 0 0 0 0
1999 4 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 .500 .500 .500 1.000 0 0 0 0 0
2002 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000 0 0 0 0 0
2003 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0
2004 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0
2005 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .500 .500 .500 1.000 0 0 0 0 0
Post 1997 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0
Post 1999 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0
Post 2004 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0
Post 2005 4 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 .250 .250 .250 .500 0 0 0 0 0
RegSeason 115 104 27 3 0 2 7 9 26 .260 .322 .346 .668 0 1 0 1 1
with Post 128 117 28 3 0 2 7 9 29 .239 .297 .316 .613 0 1 0 1 1
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Generated 7/23/2015.

 

When John Smoltz and Craig Biggio made their Major League debuts in 1988, the Braves and Astros were still in the same division and both were on the precipice of long runs of relevance. As a result, these two squared off a lot. John Smoltz was Craig Biggio's 2nd most-faced pitcher, behind Greg Maddux, but he was the hitter that Smoltz saw the most of. Unlike Maddux, against whom Biggio battled as evenly as one could reasonably expect to battle Greg Maddux, Smoltz got the slight upper hand. Biggio's OBP was 40 points lower and his batting average was 20 points lower than his career averages, looking at just their regular season matchups. But where Smoltz truly dominated him was in the postseason. In four postseason games and 13 plate appearances, Biggio managed only one hit and no walks. And despite striking out 14% of the time over his career, Biggio was fanned on over 21% of his postseason plate appearances against Smoltz and 22.6% of all plate appearances vs Smoltz in both the regular season and postseason.

It's probably random, but the Braves also happened to win all 4 postseason games where Smoltz pitched against Biggio, including two series clinching victories in 1997 and 1999 (as a Braves fan, I'd rather not get into what ultimately happened in the 2004 or 2005 series). But, because Biggio is still an all-time great, he still managed to inflict some damage on Smoltz.

Craig Biggio vs. Randy Johnson

Year PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SH SF IBB HBP GDP
2000 7 5 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 .000 .286 .000 .286 0 0 0 0 0
2001 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0
2002 6 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0
RegSeason 16 14 0 0 0 0 0 2 5 .000 .125 .000 .125 0 0 0 0 0
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Generated 7/23/2015.

 

Here we have a more modest, but more clearly one-sided battle. Though Johnson also debuted in the NL in 1988, the Big Unit never pitched to Biggio before being shipped off to Seattle. Johnson retured to the National League in 1998 as Biggio's teammate in Houston, and ultimately wouldn't pitch to him until 2000, Johnson's second year on the Diamondbacks. By that point, Biggio had begun his decline, posting a 1.4 WAR season and hitting a light .268 (he would bounceback in 2001 with a 3.2 WAR season, his only 3+ WAR season in the 21st Century), but 2000 was the only year he managed to have any success at all against Johnson. Johnson, of course, was in the midst of his early 2000s run of complete dominance. Over the 3 years that these 16 plate appearances occured, Randy Johnson was worth 29.1 WAR, pitched 758 1/3 innings, and struck out 1053 batters (including Biggio in 5 of the 16 times he pitched to him). The strikeout totals and WAR are the highest by any pitcher in their age 36-38 seasons in MLB history.

It's a shame that a prime Craig Biggio never got the chance to hit against Randy Johnson, but keep in mind, not only did that they debuted the same year, but Biggio was two years younger. If nothing else, the total one-sidedness of this contest shows just how impressive and rare Randy Johnson's performance in his late-30s was.

Craig Biggio vs. Pedro Martinez

Year PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SH SF IBB HBP GDP
1993 5 3 1 0 0 0 0 2 0 .333 .600 .333 .933 0 0 0 0 0
1995 12 10 5 4 0 0 0 2 1 .500 .583 .900 1.483 0 0 0 0 0
1996 9 7 3 1 1 0 2 2 2 .429 .556 .857 1.413 0 0 0 0 0
1997 14 13 3 1 0 0 0 0 1 .231 .286 .308 .593 0 0 0 1 0
2005 7 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0
2007 3 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .333 .333 .333 .667 0 0 0 0 0
RegSeason 50 43 13 6 1 0 2 6 7 .302 .400 .488 .888 0 0 0 1 0
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Generated 7/23/2015.

 

Of course, you don't need me to tell you what was going on in Boston while Randy Johnson was finding the Fountain of Youth in Phoenix. Pedro Martinez never faced Craig Biggio during his electrifying stint in Fenway, but he did pitch to Biggio in three of the four uniforms he wore as a National Leaguer, in what turned out to be a back-and-forth battle. Their first showdowns came when Biggio was entering his prime, while Martinez was just getting started. However, Pedro was still a 3 win pitcher in 1993, and a 4 win pitcher in 95 and 96. It's just that Biggio was out of his mind. Things took a course correction in 1997, Pedro's last year as an Expo and the true start of his era of domination. In 1997, Pedro would post his 2nd best career ERA, his 3rd best career ERA+, and his 2nd highest strikeout total. However, 1997 was also Biggio's best year by WAR (9.4) and OBP (.415). While 1997 is a clear loss for Biggio, it is worth noting that he managed to post just a single strikeout in 14 plate appearances against one of the most dominant strikeout pitchers of all time. In total, Biggio's strikeout rate against Martinez, 14%, was more than 13 points lower than Pedro's career rate of 27.7%.

Biggio's matchups show that even an all time great hitter can be victimized by great pitching and a small sample size. But what about people who are somewhat less talented as hitters? Since all three pitching inductees spent time in the NL, we wanted to see how they fared against each other. Unfortunately, Randy Johnson actually never faced Martinez or Smoltz. But, before moving on, I wanted to show one pitcher we found that he actually kind of owned.

Randy Johnson vs. Adam Eaton

Year PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SH SF IBB HBP GDP
2008 4 3 1 1 0 0 3 1 1 .333 .500 .667 1.167 0 0 0 0 0
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Generated 7/23/2015.

 

Yes, for two games in 2008, Randy Johnson posed a question that Adam Eaton simply couldn't answer. In their first matchup, Eaton walked Unit in the bottom of the 4th with the bases loaded. In their second game, Johnson slugged a double deep into LF, scoring two more.

John Smoltz vs. Pedro Martinez

Year PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SH SF IBB HBP GDP
1993 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0
1994 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 .000 .500 .000 .500 0 0 0 0 0
2005 9 9 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 .111 .111 .111 .222 0 0 0 0 0
2006 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000 1 0 0 0 0
RegSeason 15 13 2 0 0 0 0 1 7 .154 .214 .154 .368 1 0 0 0 0
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Generated 7/23/2015.

 

Now this is what we came here to see: two NL East rivals who went head to head a combined 30 times. Smoltz never even put a ball in play against Pedro when the latter was an Expo, striking out 3 times and walking once. Pedro changed leagues for a while and, upon his return, joined the Mets. In 2005, as Smoltz and Pedro were both making late career All-Star runs (Smoltz at age 38!), the two squared off in 19 plate appearances (counting Pedro's in the chart below) over four games. 2005 was probably the last year Pedro was still dominant, posting games like a 9 strikeout, 1 run complete game masterpiece in Atlanta. Two of the strikeouts came against Smoltz, one of which is actually online in its entirety, albeit in somewhat low quality video. We apologize for that, and for the crimes against batting that you're about to witness.

To be fair to Smoltz, he actually does a decent job of battling back after going down 0-2, but this is what happens when a career .159 hitter faces a pitcher who would finish his career with over 3100 Ks. Speaking of Smoltz's hitting, he finished his career a .159/.226/.207 hitter in over 1100 PAs, meaning his totals against Pedro are actually not as far below his career averages as you might think. Those numbers are helped, though, by the game they played in 2006, when Smoltz scored a sacrifice bunt and a single off of a clearly declining Martinez. Pedro would make an All-Star team again in 2006 and post a 2.57 ERA in 2007, but after 2005, he never posted a WAR above 1.0.

But if Smoltz did about as expected, Pedro did...well, take a look

Pedro Martinez vs. John Smoltz

Year PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SH SF IBB HBP GDP
1994 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 1 0 0 0 0
2005 10 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .000 .000 .000 .000 1 0 0 0 0
2006 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 .000 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0
RegSeason 15 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 .000 .000 .000 .000 2 0 0 0 0
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Generated 7/23/2015.

 

That's right, in 15 plate appearances vs Smoltz, Pedro never reached base. That includes their one matchup in 2006, Smoltz's payback game for 2005, where he struck out 10 batters over 7 innings, including Martinez 3 times. In total, Smoltz is the pitcher that Martinez faced the most as a batter. Of course, the bulk of their matchups came after Martinez's stint in the AL, so is it possible whatever hitting skills he did have simply decayed? Well, in LA and Montreal, he hit .102/.145/.130 in 299 PA and on his return, he was a .107/.127/.124 hitter in 198 PA (as a member of the Red Sox, Pedro actually reached base twice, once on a walk in a 2002 interleague game and again on a walk in the 2004 World Series).

So what did we learn from this, besides the fact that weird things can happen in small sample size and pitchers are bad at hitting? Despite joining the Hall of Fame at the same time, these players very rarely crossed paths at their true peaks. Despite 33 All-Star game appearances between them, only 4 of the matchups (Biggio vs Smoltz in 92, Biggio vs Martinez in 96 and 97, and Smoltz vs Martinez in 05) happened in years when both players all All-Stars. Even for the most talented athletes among us, it seems, true greatness is fleeting.

How We Found This

You can find any batter or pitcher's entire matchup history in the Play Index. Just type their name in the box and select "Batter vs. Pitcher" or "Pitcher vs. Batter". From there, you'll get the history of every matchup for that player.

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2015 Hall of Fame Features

Posted by Mike Lynch on January 6, 2015

With the announcement of the 2015 Baseball Hall of Fame class this afternoon, here are some useful links from around the site:

Please enjoy these features as you debate with your friends today.

13 Comments | Posted in Announcement, Awards, Baseball-Reference.com, Data, Hall of Fame

Speaking our Piece About Jack Morris

Posted by admin on December 5, 2013

I don't think it's a secret that the sabermetric case for Jack Morris is an especially thin one.  A ranking using WAR has him about the 25th best player on the ballot.  But we hear all of these stats about how much of a workhorse Morris was.  Here is an example from Tom Verducci.  Now it's true that Morris pitched into the 8th the most of his era, but when he did he was actually way below average among of group of pitchers who pitched 100+ outings of that length.

Morris worked deep in the games, but it was largely due to usage rather than effectiveness.   When he went 8 innings he was league average, when he went five innings he was league average.  The chart below shows the number of innings completed by the starter per start.  So the "0" row is not all first innings, but just the games they didn't make it out of the first inning.  Their complete games would be in the 9 row.  Now there is a value to pitching late into games and Morris should be credited by that value, but it certainly looks to me that a big reason Morris went late into games was the astronomical run support he was getting not because he was pitching so much better than the average pitcher.  Note that for outings last one inning or longer Morris' RA is WORSE than league average for every single outing length.

All AL SP's 1975-1997 Jack Morris Frank Tanana (1975 on)
completed innings % of all GS W-L% RA tmAvgRS % of all GS W-L% RA tmAvgRS % of all GS W-L% RA tmAvgRS
0 1.3 0.000 89.23 4.86 0.6 0.000 64.80 5.67 1.5 0.000 83.45 5.38
1 2.7 0.000 29.29 4.61 1.1 0.000 33.48 4.33 2.0 0.000 31.30 4.73
2 4.2 0.000 18.00 4.62 2.5 0.000 20.90 4.00 3.6 0.000 19.13 4.10
3 5.9 0.000 13.06 4.60 3.2 0.000 13.81 5.24 3.6 0.000 13.23 4.60
4 8.0 0.001 10.00 4.52 6.3 0.000 12.39 4.58 5.1 0.000 9.80 4.61
5 14.0 0.412 6.45 4.94 5.7 0.375 8.79 4.50 9.9 0.324 6.91 4.94
6 18.4 0.504 4.78 4.62 12.3 0.540 5.78 5.80 17.2 0.500 4.95 4.78
7 18.4 0.637 3.43 4.51 21.3 0.730 3.94 5.88 21.9 0.633 3.51 4.70
8 12.3 0.545 2.93 3.75 19.5 0.413 3.86 3.83 15.1 0.368 3.00 2.86
9 14.1 0.842 1.68 4.91 26.0 0.867 1.77 4.53 18.8 0.880 1.48 4.97
10 0.5 0.713 1.88 2.76 1.3 0.250 2.44 2.14 0.4 0.000 0.90 0.50
11 0.1 0.667 1.63 2.54 0.2 1.64 3.00 0.4 1.000 0.82 2.50
12 0.0 0.667 1.59 2.75 0.2 3.00 5.00
13 0.0 0.59 2.57 0.4 0.00 1.50
14 0.0 0.750 1.77 4.25

 

It seems to me if the basis of your argument for Morris in the HOF was that he pitched deep into a lot of games (and was about avg in those outings) then you have a pretty weak argument.  The summary of our view is that Morris was a pretty good pitcher on very good teams, but really is not a whole lot better than someone like David Wells or Frank Tanana.  And certainly not better than Mike Mussina or Kevin Brown.

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PFR Hall of Fame Features

Posted by Neil on January 18, 2013

With the Hall of Fame finalists being named last week, here's a reminder to check out our Hall of Fame Section at PFR, as well as the 2013 ballot (with a list of finalists, and semifinalists who didn't make the cut).

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2013 Hall of Fame Features

Posted by Neil on November 28, 2012

A little while ago, the Baseball Hall of Fame released the names that will be on this year's BBWAA ballot. Apropos of that, here are the Hall of Fame features we currently have for your browsing pleasure:

Please enjoy these features in this, the craziest of all Hall of Fame years.

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Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame Page

Posted by Neil on November 14, 2012

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Basketball Hall of Fame Section

Posted by Neil on September 7, 2012

With the Hall of Fame's inductions tonight, just a reminder that you can check out a list of Hall of Famers here... Also, you can select HoF induction status as a criterion in Play Index searches.

12 Comments | Posted in Announcement, Basketball-Reference.com, expire7d, Features, Hall of Fame

Pro Football Hall of Fame Pages

Posted by Neil on August 6, 2012

With the inductions of Curtis Martin, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, Willie Roaf, and Jack Butler last Saturday, now's a good time to check out PFR's Hall of Fame Page to look at where the newly-enshrined players fit in with the rest of the HoF legends.

Also, we list the 2012 Ballot here; you can compare that to the HoF list and see who got snubbed (Aeneas Williams! Tim Brown! Cris Carter!) and who's next.

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Hall of Fame Ballot History – Baseball-Reference.com

Posted by admin on January 9, 2012

B-R: Hall of Fame Ballot History

This report looks at the top 8 vote-getters in Hall of Fame balloting each election and also shows the average number of votes per ballot for each season. Using this you can see how candidates like Bert Blyleven, Barry Larkin and others have progressed up the ballot year after year.

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2012 Hall of Fame Finalists Announced

Posted by Mike on January 9, 2012

2012 Pro Football Hall of Fame page has been updated with the 15 finalists for this year's class.

2 Comments | Posted in Announcement, Hall of Fame, Pro-Football-Reference.com

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