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Speaking our Piece About Jack Morris

Posted by admin on December 5, 2013

I don't think it's a secret that the sabermetric case for Jack Morris is an especially thin one.  A ranking using WAR has him about the 25th best player on the ballot.  But we hear all of these stats about how much of a workhorse Morris was.  Here is an example from Tom Verducci.  Now it's true that Morris pitched into the 8th the most of his era, but when he did he was actually way below average among of group of pitchers who pitched 100+ outings of that length.

Morris worked deep in the games, but it was largely due to usage rather than effectiveness.   When he went 8 innings he was league average, when he went five innings he was league average.  The chart below shows the number of innings completed by the starter per start.  So the "0" row is not all first innings, but just the games they didn't make it out of the first inning.  Their complete games would be in the 9 row.  Now there is a value to pitching late into games and Morris should be credited by that value, but it certainly looks to me that a big reason Morris went late into games was the astronomical run support he was getting not because he was pitching so much better than the average pitcher.  Note that for outings last one inning or longer Morris' RA is WORSE than league average for every single outing length.

All AL SP's 1975-1997 Jack Morris Frank Tanana (1975 on)
completed innings % of all GS W-L% RA tmAvgRS % of all GS W-L% RA tmAvgRS % of all GS W-L% RA tmAvgRS
0 1.3 0.000 89.23 4.86 0.6 0.000 64.80 5.67 1.5 0.000 83.45 5.38
1 2.7 0.000 29.29 4.61 1.1 0.000 33.48 4.33 2.0 0.000 31.30 4.73
2 4.2 0.000 18.00 4.62 2.5 0.000 20.90 4.00 3.6 0.000 19.13 4.10
3 5.9 0.000 13.06 4.60 3.2 0.000 13.81 5.24 3.6 0.000 13.23 4.60
4 8.0 0.001 10.00 4.52 6.3 0.000 12.39 4.58 5.1 0.000 9.80 4.61
5 14.0 0.412 6.45 4.94 5.7 0.375 8.79 4.50 9.9 0.324 6.91 4.94
6 18.4 0.504 4.78 4.62 12.3 0.540 5.78 5.80 17.2 0.500 4.95 4.78
7 18.4 0.637 3.43 4.51 21.3 0.730 3.94 5.88 21.9 0.633 3.51 4.70
8 12.3 0.545 2.93 3.75 19.5 0.413 3.86 3.83 15.1 0.368 3.00 2.86
9 14.1 0.842 1.68 4.91 26.0 0.867 1.77 4.53 18.8 0.880 1.48 4.97
10 0.5 0.713 1.88 2.76 1.3 0.250 2.44 2.14 0.4 0.000 0.90 0.50
11 0.1 0.667 1.63 2.54 0.2 1.64 3.00 0.4 1.000 0.82 2.50
12 0.0 0.667 1.59 2.75 0.2 3.00 5.00
13 0.0 0.59 2.57 0.4 0.00 1.50
14 0.0 0.750 1.77 4.25

 

It seems to me if the basis of your argument for Morris in the HOF was that he pitched deep into a lot of games (and was about avg in those outings) then you have a pretty weak argument.  The summary of our view is that Morris was a pretty good pitcher on very good teams, but really is not a whole lot better than someone like David Wells or Frank Tanana.  And certainly not better than Mike Mussina or Kevin Brown.

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PFR Hall of Fame Features

Posted by Neil on January 18, 2013

With the Hall of Fame finalists being named last week, here's a reminder to check out our Hall of Fame Section at PFR, as well as the 2013 ballot (with a list of finalists, and semifinalists who didn't make the cut).

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2013 Hall of Fame Features

Posted by Neil on November 28, 2012

A little while ago, the Baseball Hall of Fame released the names that will be on this year's BBWAA ballot. Apropos of that, here are the Hall of Fame features we currently have for your browsing pleasure:

Please enjoy these features in this, the craziest of all Hall of Fame years.

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Basketball Hall of Fame Section

Posted by Neil on September 7, 2012

With the Hall of Fame's inductions tonight, just a reminder that you can check out a list of Hall of Famers here... Also, you can select HoF induction status as a criterion in Play Index searches.

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Pro Football Hall of Fame Pages

Posted by Neil on August 6, 2012

With the inductions of Curtis Martin, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, Willie Roaf, and Jack Butler last Saturday, now's a good time to check out PFR's Hall of Fame Page to look at where the newly-enshrined players fit in with the rest of the HoF legends.

Also, we list the 2012 Ballot here; you can compare that to the HoF list and see who got snubbed (Aeneas Williams! Tim Brown! Cris Carter!) and who's next.

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Hall of Fame Ballot History – Baseball-Reference.com

Posted by admin on January 9, 2012

B-R: Hall of Fame Ballot History

This report looks at the top 8 vote-getters in Hall of Fame balloting each election and also shows the average number of votes per ballot for each season. Using this you can see how candidates like Bert Blyleven, Barry Larkin and others have progressed up the ballot year after year.

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2012 Hall of Fame Finalists Announced

Posted by Mike on January 9, 2012

2012 Pro Football Hall of Fame page has been updated with the 15 finalists for this year's class.

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Hall of Fame Candidates Updated

Posted by Mike on December 22, 2011

2012 Pro Football Hall of Fame Candidates are now up with all of the semifinalists for enshrinement this year.

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B-R: HoF Candidate – Brian Jordan

Posted by Neil on December 13, 2011

Brian Jordan

Brian O'Neal Jordan

Position: Outfielder
Bats: Right, Throws: Right
Height: 6' 1", Weight: 205 lb.

Born: March 29, 1967 in Baltimore, MD (Age 44)
High School: Milford Mill (Baltimore, MD)
School: University of Richmond
Drafted
by the St. Louis Cardinals in the 1st round (30th pick) of the 1988 amateur draft.
Signed July 7, 1988. (All Transactions)
Debut: April 8, 1992
Teams (by GP): Cardinals/Braves/Dodgers/Rangers 1992-2006

Final Game: September 30, 2006

Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards
1988 21 STL-min A- 19 81 71 12 22 3 1 4 12 3 3 6 15 .310 .388 .549 .937 39 3 1 0 1 HAM · NYPL
1989 22 STL-min A 11 45 43 7 15 4 1 2 11 0 2 0 8 .349 .378 .628 1.006 27 1 2 0 0 0 SPT · FLOR
1990 23 STL-min AA,A+ 25 83 80 7 13 1 1 0 1 0 2 2 22 .163 .193 .200 .393 16 1 0 0 0 ARK,SPT · TL,FLOR
1991 24 STL-min AAA 61 238 212 35 56 11 4 4 24 10 3 17 41 .264 .342 .410 .752 87 5 8 1 0 1 LOU · AA
1992 25 STL-min AAA 43 169 155 23 45 3 1 4 16 13 2 8 21 .290 .337 .400 .737 62 1 4 0 2 1 LOU · AA
1992 25 STL NL 55 204 193 17 40 9 4 5 22 7 2 10 48 .207 .250 .373 .623 77 72 6 1 0 0 1 79/8
1993 26 STL-min AAA 38 165 144 24 54 13 2 5 35 9 4 16 17 .375 .442 .597 1.040 86 3 3 0 2 0 LOU · AA
1993 26 STL NL 67 242 223 33 69 10 6 10 44 6 6 12 35 .309 .351 .543 .894 138 121 6 4 0 3 0 879
1994 27 STL NL 53 197 178 14 46 8 2 5 15 4 3 16 40 .258 .320 .410 .730 91 73 6 1 0 2 0 97/83
1995 28 STL NL 131 525 490 83 145 20 4 22 81 24 9 22 79 .296 .339 .488 .827 116 239 5 11 0 2 4 *98
1996 29 STL NL 140 560 513 82 159 36 1 17 104 22 5 29 84 .310 .349 .483 .833 118 248 6 7 2 9 4 *98/3 MVP-8
1997 30 STL-min AAA 6 22 20 1 3 0 0 0 2 0 1 1 2 .150 .227 .150 .377 3 0 1 0 0 0 LOU · AA
1997 30 STL NL 47 161 145 17 34 5 0 0 10 6 1 10 21 .234 .311 .269 .580 55 39 4 6 0 0 1 98
1998 31 STL NL 150 617 564 100 178 34 7 25 91 17 5 40 66 .316 .368 .534 .902 134 301 18 9 0 4 1 *98/D5
1999 32 ATL NL 153 645 576 100 163 28 4 23 115 13 8 51 81 .283 .346 .465 .811 103 268 9 9 0 9 2 *9 AS,MVP-19
2000 33 ATL NL 133 537 489 71 129 26 0 17 77 10 2 38 80 .264 .320 .421 .742 85 206 12 5 0 5 1 *9
2001 34 ATL NL 148 605 560 82 165 32 3 25 97 3 2 31 88 .295 .334 .496 .830 109 278 18 6 0 8 3 *9/D8 MVP-18
2002 35 LAD NL 128 515 471 65 134 27 3 18 80 2 2 34 86 .285 .338 .469 .807 118 221 10 6 0 4 3 *7/9D
2003 36 LAD NL 66 253 224 28 67 9 0 6 28 1 1 23 30 .299 .372 .420 .791 112 94 3 4 0 2 3 78/9D
2004 37 TEX-min AAA,AA 13 49 45 4 13 3 0 0 8 1 0 3 9 .289 .347 .356 .702 16 0 1 0 0 1 OKC,FRI · PCL,TL
2004 37 TEX AL 61 233 212 27 47 13 1 5 23 2 2 16 35 .222 .275 .363 .638 60 77 7 1 0 4 2 9D/7
2005 38 ATL-min A 5 20 16 5 8 1 0 1 7 1 0 2 2 .500 .500 .750 1.250 12 0 0 0 2 1 ROM · SALL
2005 38 ATL NL 76 251 231 25 57 8 2 3 24 2 0 14 46 .247 .295 .338 .632 65 78 5 3 0 3 0 79
2006 39 ATL-min AAA,A 5 20 16 3 5 1 0 2 4 0 0 4 7 .313 .450 .750 1.200 12 0 0 0 0 0 RMD,ROM · IL,SALL
2006 39 ATL NL 48 101 91 11 21 2 0 3 10 0 0 7 23 .231 .287 .352 .639 63 32 3 1 0 2 0 3/789
15 Seasons 1456 5646 5160 755 1454 267 37 184 821 119 48 353 842 .282 .333 .455 .788 104 2347 118 74 2 57 25
162 Game Avg. 162 628 574 84 162 30 4 20 91 13 5 39 94 .282 .333 .455 .788 104 261 13 8 0 6 3
STL (7 yrs) 643 2506 2306 346 671 122 24 84 367 86 31 139 373 .291 .339 .474 .813 114 1093 51 39 2 20 11
ATL (5 yrs) 558 2139 1947 289 535 96 9 71 323 28 12 141 318 .275 .327 .443 .770 94 862 47 24 0 27 6
LAD (2 yrs) 194 768 695 93 201 36 3 24 108 3 3 57 116 .289 .349 .453 .802 116 315 13 10 0 6 6
TEX (1 yr) 61 233 212 27 47 13 1 5 23 2 2 16 35 .222 .275 .363 .638 60 77 7 1 0 4 2
NL (14 yrs) 1395 5413 4948 728 1407 254 36 179 798 117 46 337 807 .284 .336 .459 .795 106 2270 111 73 2 53 23
AL (1 yr) 61 233 212 27 47 13 1 5 23 2 2 16 35 .222 .275 .363 .638 60 77 7 1 0 4 2
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 12/13/2011.

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