Comments on: 2011 AV is up http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2012/01/2011-av-is-up/ Sports Statistics Easier Sat, 18 May 2013 13:54:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Mike http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2012/01/2011-av-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4357 Mike Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:06:55 +0000 http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/?p=188#comment-4357 Thanks for the comments, all -- I am working on cleaning things up for both this year and 2010. We redid the database structure in the offseason and this is the first run of AV against that for 2011 (which obviously had to wait until the AP awards came out), and unfortunately some bugs are coming up that I'm squashing as we speak (or.. type).

For things like Victor Cruz or Ben Tate (who should be fixed now), if you could email bugs@sports-reference.com they will be addressed and that makes it easier for me to track them than having them just in the comments here. I do appreciate the feedback, it's good to know people care enough to notice when things are off.

]]> By: Mike http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2012/01/2011-av-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4294 Mike Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:31:06 +0000 http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/?p=188#comment-4294 More problems:

Playoff players' individual pages are now combining playoff + regular season stats.

Example, Detroit Lions players have 17 GP:

Titus Young

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounTi00.htm

Matthew Stafford

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StafMa00.htm

Seems like PFR should have worked out some of these bugs before doing the AV calculations because I'd guess most of the AV is wrong - if even by a point or two here and there.

]]> By: Johnny http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2012/01/2011-av-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4293 Johnny Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:45:18 +0000 http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/?p=188#comment-4293 Paul,

I saw Ray Lewis have a string of 5 consecutive full seasons where he scored 100 AV ('99-'01, '03-'04).

Here are some more problems:

1. 2011 Bears front 7 is incorrect. Peppers isn't showing up in a search of the defense but is showing up as a WR on offense. This is watering down the Bears offensive player AVs but elevating the Bears Front 7 Defensive Player AVs. (Example: Urlacher w/ a 14 AV on the 14th ranked Defense and no All-Pro Bonus is clearly incorrect.)

2. 2011 Browns Front 7 is incorrect. Not enough games started among the front 7 players. Just 80 games started among the group. Where are the other two defensive positions?

3. The 2011 Ravens Front 7 AVs are incorrect. I did the correct math in post #12 and Suggs & Lewis should be added a point, while Johnson and Edgar Jones should lose a point.

4. Frank Zombo, Rolando McClain ,and other 2010 Rookies still have a 0 for their rookie seasons.

5. Career Weighted AVs are not updated/incorrect due to all the changes within the last 24 hours.

6. The Ravens Front 7 in 1999, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2009, and 2010 are all incorrect (I have sent two emails about this to bugs@sports-reference.com).

That is all I have for now.

]]> By: tunesmith http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2012/01/2011-av-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4292 tunesmith Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:01:18 +0000 http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/?p=188#comment-4292 I honestly think we'll need a bigger/longer explanation about this. If things are just fixed piecemeal then I'm not sure how to trust that everything is actually fixed. It's supposed to be a cohesive system where everyone's AV rating is dependent on everyone else's AV rating, at least to a degree. Can a full regeneration be done where every player on every roster is rechecked?

]]> By: Mike http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2012/01/2011-av-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4291 Mike Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:57:48 +0000 http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/?p=188#comment-4291 Rolando McClain still has 0 AV for last season - I emailed PFR about this last spring, but sadly it was never fixed.

]]> By: Gary http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2012/01/2011-av-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4290 Gary Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:51:52 +0000 http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/?p=188#comment-4290 For the past two seasons there are too many inonsistencies, just a few examples:

1) Ben Tate is missing his college and Draft data.
2) Victor Cruz is listed as a rookie, even that he played 3 games in 2010 (they finally merged both pages he had, like he was two ifferen players).
3) Many 2011 numbers are incorrect or "0".

It's a pity that the best website has been left without fixing bugs. I would offer myself to correct all in my spare time if I had access.

]]> By: Paul http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2012/01/2011-av-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4287 Paul Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:15:39 +0000 http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/?p=188#comment-4287 If I did my research correctly, I've come up with an AV top 7 from the past four year:
1. Aaron Rodgers 71
2. Philip Rivers 69
3. Drew Brees 67
4. Darrelle Revis 63
5. Patrick Willis 61
6. (tie) Ray Lewis and James Harrison 59
Note: In Tom Brady's past four full seasons, he's accumulated an AV of 79. He missed almost the entire 2008 season with an injury, which brings his 2008-2011 total down to 55.

As far as I can tell, the highest AV total for four consectutive seasons belongs to Jim Brown, with 91 from 1962-65. Other very high such totals belong to Alan Page (89) 1969-72, Marshall Faulk (87), 1998-2001, Carl Eller (84), 1968-1971 and Steve Young (82) 1991-94 or 1992-95.

]]> By: Mike http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2012/01/2011-av-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4286 Mike Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:32:29 +0000 http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/?p=188#comment-4286 DJ Williams is two different people but he's being made into 1 person by PFR. He's got 21 games played this season according to his stats - quite a trick.

Also, the cumulative games problem for players with 2+ teams is fixed in their individual stats but still wrong on the team roster/stats page (Lloyd still shows 15 GP on the Broncos team page)

]]> By: tunesmith http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2012/01/2011-av-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4273 tunesmith Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:21:13 +0000 http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/?p=188#comment-4273 Post-edit, this looks improved, but I still see several problems.

1) Denver 2010, Zane Beadles still has an AV of 0, and this cannot be accurate.
2) Denver 2010, who is Zane Brown? Wasn't with the Broncos.
3) Denver 2011, Zane Beadles still listed as a rookie
4) Denver 2011, Chris Harris has an AV of 0, this does not look right - top nickel back, many good plays this season. Perhaps the problem didn't get fixed for undrafted rookies?
5) Denver 2011, D.J. Williams is still not two people.

]]> By: Mike http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2012/01/2011-av-is-up/comment-page-1/#comment-4265 Mike Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:46:42 +0000 http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/?p=188#comment-4265 You have a problem where guys who played with 2 teams are getting credited with playing their cumulative games for both teams. So for example, Brandon Lloyd is credited with 15 GP and 15 GS for both St. Louis and Denver. That's going to mess up your AV with some guys.

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